Hi all - I've spent the last 40 minutes or so reading about how you all handle the "difficult" places. There is a private pet shop in Wayne Co, Ohio that is litteraly (sp?) at the bottom. I stopped in just to see if it was as bad as I heard and about gagged from the smell! Fuzzy stuff growing in the fish tanks, cloudy water, a bag of dirty bedding and ugghhhh you get the idea. I asked about hermies and she showed me a 10 gal with about 15 of asorted sizes. No water, no food, no cover, no gauges - I was apalled. I only brought home 2 of the bigger boys just because! Has anyone had any luck by going through the humane society or other local organization for these places that call themselves "pet stores"? One good thing (other than my new friends) was a 40 gal breeder and stand for $60! That was a buy!!!! You guys do a great job providing information!